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Monday, August 25, 2008


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Morgan K Freeberg

Ah, Mommynator is having fantasies about the Yin & Yang Wall. You are not the first. This was the central thesis to Atlas Shrugged. But I'm really liking this label you attach to it.

The ultimate irony to this is the denizens of the state of mind that is Rumspringen, in order to matter, have to take on a celebratory mood regarding their chosen lifestyle. And in celebrating their chosen lifestyle, what they're really celebrating is that it is possible for them to be this way -- that they have not been dropped in the middle of nowhere to face Darwin's cleansing fire. And when they celebrate that, what they're really celebrating is all the other folks; for their chosen lifestyle is parasitic.

That's the real danger to our society. We have reached such a dizzyingly high level of comfort in our modern society, that our parasites are allowed to act, without consequence, like hosts; and they are allowed to treat, without consequence, the real hosts as if they're the parasites.


There's something to be said for the old-time doctrine of eschewing this world and its comforts and distractions as far as keeping us wise and human and open to truth.

I just thought the jolt to the old primordial fear centers would be interesting to watch.

Nancy Coppock

Very interesting rumination fodder. Another interesting ruminating thought would be, What would happen were the Democratic Party suffer such a loss in this next election that would begin a questioning of the party's entire makeup and platform. The party has already become the polar opposite of the Constitution of the nation in which they reside. Although incompetent in the mental faculties required to construct another constitution, the Democratic Party has become tyrannical and autocratic through rule making, law writing, and Supreme Court Justices. What would happen should the party be so rejected at the polls as to cause introspective thought as that which happens to individuals in life altering situations? What would happen?

tim aka The Godless Heathen

Interesting thoughts Mommynator. Though I’m not a fan of reality TV I’d watch your idea of a show for the inevitably chaos and hypocrisy factor.

I’ve only recently become aware of the Amish tradition of Rumspringen after seeing a piece about it on TV. After watching I’ve actually have a new found respect for the Amish. They are confident to let their young figure out which path they want to choice. The overwhelming percentage choose to stay.

I still have issue with their isolation bordering on contempt, their exemption from military duty and their compromising use of technology based on situational convenience.

BTW, every weekend I drive through an Amish community and their buggies on the side of the road. The kids are the only ones who will give ya’ a wave hello much less even look your way. Not sure why that is.


Nice piece and nice comment by Mr. Freeberg. The thing that gets me about these anarchists is that they would build their society on the foundations of ours = theft. They could not begin anew. They just do not know how. Their most crackpot ideas like lessening of carbon footprint dictates that they either just DO IT and off themselves OR only do what is not inconvenient.

And the idiots in Denver saying.braying about what a Fascist state this is do not even realize that if it were the Fascist state they think it is WE WOULD NOT HEAR THEIR BRAYING. Only their death rattle as the REAL Fascists snuffed them out.

Hubris and narcissism in HUGE helpings are their stock in trade.


Morgan K Freeberg

I still have issue with their isolation bordering on contempt...

Easily justified once you see how the opposition works. Liberalism is sold through the increment. First you say "hey look the workers are being oppressed, we need some rules in place to protect them..." with some tearjerker stories to back it up. Next thing you know, labor unions are being used to systematically kill off car companies. And, all the time, capitalism is blamed for it.

And so people who put together cultures to get away from it all, have to practice this in total. Even in fiction. John Galt, in Galt's Gulch, wouldn't even let the people who lived there, use money. They conducted their business in coins of pure gold, because the value of the coin was the value of the gold.

tim aka The Godless Heathen

“And so people who put together cultures to get away from it all,”

But the Amish don’t Morgan, it’s a façade. They appear to be isolated but in reality they use our system all the time when it is convenient for them. They need to sell some furniture, buys some sundries at the mart or get airlifted for emergency surgery…then it’s OK to be part of our society. Otherwise, they like to pretend they are isolated and not part of “us”, the sinners and such.

That bothers me for the reason that if you want to be isolated, fine be isolated, don’t care. Just don’t be hypocritical about it when it fits your needs. I’d have more respect for them if they TOTALLY turned their back on our way of life, completely with no compromises.

Kind’a like the scumbags protesting at the convention that Mommynator was talking about. Which was truly an unintentional comparison.

Morgan K Freeberg

That may or may not be correct. I'll have to give you the benefit of the doubt, being a west coast guy more or less virginal to the hills of Pennsylvania. I was referring to the concept, rather than the practice. John Galt's approach was something like a needle-and-soap-bubble -- if one break appears in the surface of this isolated environment, however minute it may be, the compromise is complete or just as good as complete. And so Galt's Gulch was situated in such a way that airplanes flying over it wouldn't be able to see it. It had devices to scramble radio transmissions. It was completely isolated, and completely invisible.

The point I was trying to make was, I think this is pretty much how it would have to work. I think the needle-and-bubble paradigm is the only one what would endure, even though in real life it isn't really possible to live up to its stringent requirements. That's because collectivists are just like the Borg from Star Trek; if & when they know about something within proximity, that thing, whatever it is, is as good as gobbled-up.

Like C.S. Lewis said...

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

Your comparison of the Amish with the Obamazealots, however unintentional it may be, and however much of a grain of truth there may be to it, is somewhat misguided. How does one live like it's the seventeenth century, when the twenty-first century surrounds you? The answer is, you can't. If someone in the Amish community did indeed require medical assistance that involved an airlift, and the Amish chose not to use it, the rest of us would eventually use force to make them use it. If they chose not to recognize the legal authority invested in that use of force, we'd force them to do that too. We, in effect, would become The Borg. So I'll assume you're right about the situation, but you're reading into it a confusion between internal contradiction (in the Denver whackos), and the flaws & imperfections (in the Amish) endemic to all things that exist in reality and not in literature.

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