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Friday, November 23, 2007

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Morgan K Freeberg

Rick, I'm almost sure she has something to do with this outfit. The ravings are exactly the same.

On the plus side, she's helped to slow down the trend so aptly illustrated here, so we can give thanks for that.

syn

As she approaches menopause she's going to find out how completely brainwashed she was. I know from experience went I was brainwashed beginning at the age of twelve by the 60's regressive Feminist movement.

All I know is that when the miserable feminist hags get old they better not whine and bitch about how there is no one to care for them in their old age.

Further the feminist hags spending all their wealth on botox, liposuction and silicone boobs today better not be demanding the money I am saving for my elderly care be given to them.

Tell all your daughters that the worst thing they can do to themselves, their country and their culture is to not have children or to wait until 35 when it's too late.

salvage

>Completely brain-washed loon.

So, your sky god made the universe in six days (then rested which is a weird thing for an omnipotent being to do) and then later on "sacrificed" himself to himself so he wouldn't punish his creation for behaving exactly as he designed them to behave?

Glass houses, bricks, you want to be careful.

She chose not to have kids because of her beliefs, because you disagree with those beliefs she's a "brainwashed loony" yet if she said "I'm having a dozen kids because Jay-zus! said to!" you're be applauding with tears in your eyes.

Mommynator

Yes, salvage, let's defy our Creator who created prodigal abundance throughout the world (who needs billions of different types of insects, trillions and more flowers, overflowing waters, etc. - the earth is like the snile millionaire old lady giving it all away with joy) so we could be fruitful and multiply it and enjoy life with our children.

Let's directly disobey God - yeah, it worked out real well the first time around.

You have to be totally myopic to not understand the abundance and profligate prosperity God gives to us. You plant one seed, you get a head of wheat with ten or more seeds. You plant a vine, and you get a bunch of fruits and veggies. You plant a tree and you get hundreds of fruits. You have a cow and a bull and you get calves, ram and sheep and you get lambs, rooster and hens and you get eggs and chicks. Sheer multiplication of what we need. If that isn't magic, I sure don't know what is.

The fact is, these people live in cities and don't have a clue as to how profligate the earth is with abundance, all in accordance to God's laws, not some squinty-eyed heartless ecowarrior who think they know all there is to know about the earth when we haven't even scratched the surface of how it all works together.

That children could go from being a blessing to a curse is only to plumb the depths of depravity and selfishness existing in the human heart. We are made in God's image, and like God we do His works which includes making children.

Tim

I applaud this girl's desire to care for creation, but I think she's going about it the wrong way.

Not only are children a blessing, they are also a blessed discipline. I once had to give pastoral care to a man who had recently lost his wife to cancer. They had chosen not to have children, and their whole lives had been taken up in each other. As he told me the 'wonderful story' of their love, it suddenly came to me that this had been a totally selfish marriage. It had not been about serving anyone other than themselves.

Now I have nothing but sympathy for those who are childless through no choice of their own, but as I tried to help this man I saw the utter emptiness of childlessness by choice. Their marriage had had no 'mission' (for want of a better word) other than their own happiness, and self-absorption is an ugly thing, whether on the part of an individual or a couple. And then I thought of our own kids, and the days when they were little when they were so much work, and I thought, "It was all worth it, even viewed purely in terms of its value for me. Left to myself I'm such a selfish bastard. Having those kids forced me to think of someone else. I couldn't have grown spiritually in any other way. Thank you, God".

Mommynator

tim, that was absolutely beautiful and spot on.

I've learned more from my kids than I think they have from me. I've had to think harder, control myself more severely, choose priorities better, and in general live less for myself (in the best way) than I would have if I never had children. It's a spiritual crash course that people deny themselves (when they deliberately choose not to have children - no stones to people who are struggling with infertility) for what exactly? More stuff? Never having to consider anyone else?

What a poverty-stricken life when one chooses to deny the blessings God gives in abundance.

salvage

>Let's directly disobey God - yeah, it worked out real well the first time around.

Have ya noticed that we’ve been “disobeying” your god like forever now? So I’m not sure what your point there is or what this “first time” is.

>If that isn't magic, I sure don't know what is.

It’s not, there is no such thing as magic, that’s biology and nature. Magic is the absence or violation / denial of those things.

>The fact is, these people live in cities and don't have a clue as to how profligate the earth is with abundance, all in accordance to God's laws, not some squinty-eyed heartless ecowarrior who think they know all there is to know about the earth when we haven't even scratched the surface of how it all works together.

I guess you haven’t noticed but the Earth is quite full of people, we’re in no danger of running out of humans anytime soon. Unless of course there is an environmental collapse.

And we certainly have “scratched the surface” of how it all works together.

I wonder though, if breeding is so important to the sky god why don’t Popes, priests and other high ranking Catholics do it? Shouldn’t they lead by example?

And why didn’t Jesus have kids?

Oh and weird, I live in a city and easily 75% of the couples I know have bred and the place is lousy with kids, guess we must be an exception or something

> We are made in God's image, and like God we do His works which includes making children.

One of the many fascinating dichotomies of the Judeo-Christian mythology, it says we were made in your god’s image yet there’s undeniable “depravity and selfishness existing in the human heart” so what does that say about your god? Why would he make such a flawed creation and then get angry about it?

Morgan K Freeberg

I'll say this much for salvage, he's statistically important.

This crazy girl's weird, misshapen Vhemt-like worldview inspires -- from out of nowhere -- a completely off-topic sniping and snarking at God, from the one commentator most sympathetic to that perverted worldview.

I hope anybody who is skeptical of the notion that God is Life, takes note. Folks who are hostile to one, tend overwhelmingly to be hostile to the other. In the early 21st century, secularism is all about nihilism, and irrational hostility toward people who have the audacity to multiply, enjoy the time spent with their families, work hard and be happy.

Sounds like an outrageous conclusion, but once you start to inspect people and the thoughts they have, there's a lot to back it up.

Merry Christmas, everybody. God bless.

salvage

>Folks who are hostile to one, tend overwhelmingly to be hostile to the other
AHAHAHA! Yes I am hostile! That's why I post stories about people following their beliefs and having children so I can call them "Completely brain-washed loons"

Oh, no wait, I don't. I don't care what other people do in regards to reproduction, have no kids, have a hundred as longs as they're quiet in theaters and not running amok in a restaurant it makes no never mind to me.

See big difference between Bible thumping god-bothering freaks and me; I say "live and let live", they say "live like us".

But you need to declare that that anyone who disagrees with you is a "hater" because that gives you leave to ignore any salient / factual points they may have. For example:

salvage: There is no such things as gods

You: Why do you hate God?

salvage: Bush is a terrible President!

You: Why do you hate America?

and so on.

And hostile? That's so cute considering in this very thread you have:

>miserable feminist hags

and of course:

>squinty-eyed heartless ecowarrior

Yeah, I'm the hostile one.

Morgan K Freeberg

hostile (adj.):

1. of, pertaining to, or characteristic of an enemy: a hostile nation.
2. opposed in feeling, action, or character; antagonistic: hostile criticism.
3. characterized by antagonism.
4. not friendly, warm, or generous; not hospitable.
–noun
5. a person or thing that is antagonistic or unfriendly.
6. Military. an enemy soldier, plane, ship, etc.

Do you think statements like "So, your sky god made the universe in six days (then rested which is a weird thing for an omnipotent being to do) and then later on 'sacrificed' himself to himself so he wouldn't punish his creation for behaving exactly as he designed them to behave?" is out of scope for sub-defs 1 through 5?

I mean, considering that up until then nobody (save you) even brought up the so-called "sky god"? I mean, here we all were having a lovely time inspecting this whack-job who thinks having children is selfish, and you come along and start a debate over this weird little cultish religion you have that says God doesn't exist.

Five out of six is 83 percent. It seems 83% of the dictionary definition of "hostile" is pointing right at you. Or am I missing something?

salvage

I mean, here we all were having a lovely time inspecting this whack-job who thinks having children is selfish,

"whack-job" like "hags" is that hostile?

My point about your religion is that you have beliefs, those beliefs spur you to action that others would see as the result of brainwashing.

If I'm being 'hostile' it's in the sense that I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. If she were saying "I'm having a new child every 10 months because God says that's what I'm here for!" you would be praising her despite the fact that she's still being an idiot, she'd just be the kind that you approve of.

You're just like her, you both let indoctrinated dogma dominate your choices.

Morgan K Freeberg

>If she were saying "I'm having a new child every 10 months because God says that's what I'm here for!" you would be praising her despite the fact that she's still being an idiot, she'd just be the kind that you approve of.

Wanna bet? How much?

salvage

You don't approve of large families?

Morgan K Freeberg

If memory serves, you're the one who was calling her an idiot.

salvage

She is an idiot, that's a stupid reason to have an abortion but I'm glad she's sterile, her breeding would be bad.

She's just as stupid as people who have more children than the can afford to take care of because the "Bible tells me so!"

Extremes are usually stupid.

BroKen

Salvage, your position is extreme! It is the extreme of moral equivalence. A woman who sterilizes herself is JUST AS IDIOTIC as a woman who (you think) has too many children!?!

A man who spends more than he can afford on a piano is equal to a man who has his eardrums surgically removed? Can we agree that music is a good thing? Perhaps you can have too much of a good thing but surely how much is too much is debatable.

The "idiocy" of the woman in the original post is that she calls good (having children), evil (selfish). From your posts here, you seem to agree that children are more trouble than they are worth. Well, to quote Charlie Brown, "Most of us are!"

But Salvage, perhaps one of the children of that woman will be another Beethoven or a surgeon that saves your life one day!

BroKen

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