This is prescient:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen: all know how to die but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.
It comes our way via Bookwoorm who you should be reading daily. She goes deeper and does some juxtaposing and concluding:
Our government would do well to remember the nature of the forces arrayed against us, and to remember Churchill’s advice about recognizing the enemy sooner, rather than later:
“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed, if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not so costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no chance of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”
But I think our current leader would be happy to live as a slave, because he does not see much in our culture that is worth saving by fighting. I know that Obama suffers from a vast historical ignorance, one he reveals on a regular basis, so I doubt he has more than a passing familiarity with Churchill’s life or thinking. Nevertheless, it was entirely fitting that our Quisling, Vichy-esque President, as one of his first acts in office, got rid of the Churchill reminder occupying space in his office, and sent it on an ignominious trip aback to its land of origin [*Mr. BH - In the President's eyes, the equivalent of a wood shed, or a garden shed, or anywhere that won't remind him of his inadequacy in comparison.]
And now we know, the rest of the story.
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Posted by: World Peace | Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 02:55 PM
Howsabout we've already investigated and found it extremely wanting and in line with Winston Churchill's assessment.
Not submitting to the desert moon god and his demons.
Posted by: Mommynator | Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 04:04 PM
Science flies you to the moon, religion flies you into buildings. Imagine... RIP Mr. Lenon.
Posted by: FRANK | Sunday, February 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM
Which religion flies you into buildings Frank... be specific...
Posted by: Rick | Monday, February 15, 2010 at 06:59 AM
All religion can easily become a fuse and everyone thinks God is on their side. In recent history Muslims flew planes, in past history Christians devastated natives.
Bible and a rifle, deadliest combination.
History repeats. Always has, always will. I'm in favor of evolving. I believe in God, not in ancient fairy tales. I don't need stories about a flood or a cross to inspire me to be a good person.
I think the quote refered more to the capacity of all religion for evil far outweighing its good.
Posted by: FRANK | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 03:44 PM
You believe in God... great... what God Frank? Osama believes in God too... so that makes you a bosom buddy of his should we use the same logic you're using, that which paints all religion with one broad brush... not as much fun when you're the one being painted...
I think a careful examination of the different religions and the good that Christianity has wrought would put your statements in the proper light... a light that reveals much foolhardiness and shallow thinking.
Posted by: Rick | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 06:04 PM
Frank,
>"All religion can easily become a fuse"
Sure.
>" and everyone thinks God is on their side."
Really? I was struck awhile back reading Joshua 5. As Israel is planning to take Jericho an angel appears to Joshua and Joshua asks, "Are you for us or our enemies?" Now you would think that the writer would want to express your idea that God is on Israel's side, but the angel says, "Neither, but as the commander of the army of the Lord I have now come." Wow! The BIBLE says the commander of the army of the Lord didn't take sides at THIS CRUCIAL TIME. Hmmmm. Perhaps those who think God is on their side haven't read that chapter. Still, the important question is, "Are you on God's side?"
>"In recent history Muslims flew planes, in past history Christians devastated natives."
You really think that's the same. Perhaps those Christians, weren't christians.
>"Bible and a rifle, deadliest combination."
Perhaps, but after a century of gulags and Mao and Pol Pot, are you sure you want to use the superlative 'deadliest'?
>"History repeats. Always has, always will. I'm in favor of evolving. I believe in God, not in ancient fairy tales. I don't need stories about a flood or a cross to inspire me to be a good person."
True. If being a "good" person were all that were necessary, I'm sure you'd be fine. The question is though, "Are you good enough?"
>"I think the quote refered(sic) more to the capacity of all religion for evil far outweighing its good."
You really, REALLY, think that Christianity's capacity for evil FAR outweighs it's good. It makes me think you know little of Christianity or history.
Posted by: BroKen | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 06:19 PM
Examine religions? Okay, which religion? The perfect historic record of Christianity? Oh wait, they weren't really Christians, they were evil and just so happened to be holding the same book that's on any Christian's shelf. I love that cop out.
Religion always sparks controversy, always sparks resentment and hate. Just like Mommyblabber saying she'll never bow to the desert moon god and his demons. She'll bow to a 2000 year old Jewish zombie who is his own father and came to be slaughtered by the unworthy things his perfect self created? Sounds reasonable.
For the love of God someone besides me just admit that you have no proof what happens when you die and that religion has a great capacity for control. It's the power of religion that no man needs to hold in his hand. Not Osama, not me, not the Pope, nobody.
Shallow thinking? Because I call religion window dressing that's shallow? I think I'm perfectly rational BECAUSE I don't believe in talking snakes or intestinal whale rides. I know the religious differences, I've read their respective sins. I'm sure both point the finger and can bring about strong arguments.
I'm fed up with the crock of hocus pocus. It's no secret religion has been a huge point of conflict for centuries. I think it's all the psychological boogie man of humanity, it's seeing sheep in the clouds.
Now somebody can jump on and say I must live a cold, lonely life and you'd be dead wrong. I don't worship Satan, I'm not a bad person, I just don't buy into religion and I think it's a dangerous system. Human decency and common sense are far more valuable than any rosary or rug.
Sorry to offend but it's my honest take.
Posted by: FRANK | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 06:45 PM
Broken: Angels showed up and took no sides, but there are other biblical accounts of God taking sides so once again let's use random passages to prove our point.
"Perhaps those Christians weren't Christians?" I love it! Yep, there it is. Those were the OTHER Christians. Right... I get it. What stops Muslims from sayint the bad ones aren't really Muslims. Now who's got the broad brush?
"Deadliest?" Okay, you win. Not quite as deadly, um... I guess. I guess we're going by what, body count? Evil and murder is just that, do we have to weigh the flesh pound for pound?
"Are you good enough?" I have to subscribe to a religion to be good enough? I can't be that on my own?
And yes I think Christianity is doing all sorts of great and wonderful things. This Christian nation is so loving and giving just ask any immigrant. Christian nation? Ha, ha. Don't forget it's easy to be so self righteous and worthy while sitting on our throne of better living conditions.
Come here poor and uneducated and see your Christian brothers and sisters from that light. They'll give you the shirt off their back as long it's sunny and warm out.
Posted by: FRANK | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 08:48 PM
Wow. Tonight, Ash Wednesday, a non believer walked into church. Nothing new, we go now and then. I walk in, sit and then walk out just the same, unconvinced. I never refused to believe I just couldn't find what I needed. Why did this take so long? I think there was a reason and tonight, for me, it clicked.
From death in war to my son's face tonight I caught it all in a flash. It clicked, I don't know what else to say. I sat there thinking about how ridiculous the Catholic ceremonies are which ultimately sparked an argument at home afterward.
I still had things to do so my wife could sit at home and be mad if she needed to, fine, whatever. I was off to finish my errands and then get to bed. Instead I brushed across a website just before turning off the lights to try to come up with something to explain the way I felt for so long.
I came across a Bible verse that hit me harder than anything has in a long time. The details don't matter but all I can say is I get it.
Rick can varify that this is the actual FRANK because I'm guessing he can see my e-mail address. At the peak of my standing before God asking in earnest I was answered for once, I mean it.
I can't say I regret anything posted above this because before a few hours ago it NEVER made sense, at all. I'm fine with discussing the revelation when I have more time. This isn't magic, it's founded and solid and wow.
Posted by: FRANK | Wednesday, February 17, 2010 at 11:48 PM
Frank, may I ask, what was the verse?
Posted by: Leslie | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 01:21 AM
Titus 3, 4-6.
Posted by: FRANK | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 08:56 AM
Gee, Frank. Think we hit you somewhere really sensitive?
What is your problem with calling out Islam for what it is?
And please - stop taking scripture out of context.
Posted by: Mommynator | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 10:29 AM
Well, Frank, I was going to point you toward the excellent Ash Wednesday Meditation on God's work and human work at Americandigest.org, but it seems like the Holy Spirit has been working between the times and lines. May He continue to do so and may you continue to be open to that work.
Posted by: BroKen | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 11:38 AM
I don't know exactly what's going on there with you Frank... but just know that I have been praying for you for some time and will continue to do so.
God Bless
Posted by: chuck aka xtnyoda | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 02:36 PM
Hey thanks Chuck. Basically I could never connect what I saw and knew to be true with anything resembling faith. I constantly try to make things fit and last night it did. There's not a lot more to say. It's as straight forward and simple as saying last night I had chicken. That's the most convincing thing about it, no hype or holy inspiration, it suddently locked in like a long equation.
Posted by: FRANK | Thursday, February 18, 2010 at 04:05 PM
"That's the most convincing thing about it, no hype or holy inspiration, it suddently locked in like a long equation.
The thing you describe is actually what the bible calls "repentance." Been a lot of fuss about the word... basically means to have a genuine change of mind or thinking.
Posted by: chuck aka xtnyoda | Friday, February 19, 2010 at 10:05 AM
Cavemen didn't have religion, and they fought with each other all the time. American Indians have an earth based worship which they all believe in and they killed each other all the time. It is just human nature to war with each other. Religion is a scam, it is all about using common sense and protecting yourself from others that wish to harm you.
Posted by: mark | Wednesday, June 09, 2010 at 12:13 PM
When Islam is exposed for what it is, then "religion" in general is to be excoriated?
Anyone see Buddhists, or Wiccans or anyone else acting in this manner?
Islam is a diseased religion at its core. You know this by it's "fruits"
The problem is Islam.Period.
Posted by: Adam Ant | Wednesday, September 22, 2010 at 08:02 AM
okay,
considering most of you have drawn the conclusion that chritianity is the MOST peacefull religon, allow me to educate you:
Islam is the first religon which allowed women to initiate divorce. did the Bible ever grant women this power. did chritianity even allow divorce in the first place.
i guess not. but as long as reformers such as martin luther lead half of u to the righteous path than its justified is'nt it. it was bcuz of this narrrow minded thinking that europe was driven to the dark ages. please promote harmony between faiths and peoples and races.and the fact that Islam is the religon of this century can be estimated by its conversion rates. just a bit of reality, i know it might taste bitter.
Posted by: adrian | Thursday, February 03, 2011 at 09:34 AM
Islam is the first religion to stone a woman for having the temerity to allow herself to be raped.
I shall consider Islam a violent death cult until I have evidence to the contrary. Best evidence would be these alleged peaceful & "good" moslems rising up to strike down the crazy ones.
"Don't lump us all together!" they say... I'll gladly oblige when you do something to separate yourselves from the backwards women-and-children-slaughtering, unfamiliar-with-indoor-plumbing, institutionally-and-mentally-stuck-in-the-middle-ages terrorist pigs.
Posted by: Jerry G | Sunday, February 20, 2011 at 09:55 PM
Cudos Jerry G. -- and therein lies the problem with the so-called moderate muslims. They do not separate themselves from the jihadists, nor do they separate themselves from the violent.
If they are too afraid, then THAT tells me a lot about Islam.
Posted by: Sherry | Friday, March 18, 2011 at 12:01 PM
conversion rates, it speaks for itself.
and peeps go learn a little from history before u take the liberty to point fingers at a religion to which 1.2 billion people adhere to.
Posted by: abdullah | Monday, April 25, 2011 at 09:54 AM
Maybe to the uneducated, the conversion rates seem a bit high but the truth is, that is due to a hell of a lot of forced conversion. Not that many do it willingly.
Too many news reports and the likes exist to show the brutality that moslems engage in upon non-moslems to force them to islam.
moslems rape women to shame them and force them to convert and marry a rapist.
moslems who capture westerners force the captives to convert. What they AREN'T talking about however, is the sheer numbers of apostates that are created in the aftermath. Those that denounce islam.
I will never convert and I would love to see someone try to make me. I guarantee they won't leave the instance alive.
Posted by: GummySnack | Friday, July 01, 2011 at 02:10 PM
Possibly the worst god channel infommercial ever....
Posted by: kelly | Wednesday, September 21, 2011 at 05:53 AM
"god channel infommercial"?
Eh?
Posted by: Rick | Wednesday, September 21, 2011 at 07:22 AM
Why attack Christianity here? Winston Churchill was a Christian, John Lennon was a traitor to Britain, who left here to go live in America. What scum.
Posted by: Rhyden | Monday, January 09, 2012 at 11:12 AM
our beautiful earth is polluted with the toxic waste called muslims. may they someday get to know our peaceful loving, kind glorious savious Jesus Christ.
Posted by: sam | Wednesday, May 09, 2012 at 01:04 PM
our beautiful earth is polluted with the toxic waste called muslims. may they someday get to know our peaceful loving, kind glorious savious Jesus Christ.
All religion is poisonous to the core when it inhibits any and all rational thought, and criticism..as you so succinctly put it with your illogical comment..
Posted by: Ed | Friday, May 11, 2012 at 01:36 AM
I totally hear you, Frank..
And as you can see, a lot of believers (from any faith) will readily adhere to their confirmation biases and make you look like an unworthy miserable fool with no understanding of their chosen faiths.
Most make assumptions based on their fallacious appeals to authority that you have no knowledge of their religion. They assume that you should not reject their faith on face value, all the while doing it to other faiths they find in opposition to their own.
Find your own way and leave them to their chosen nonsense..you won't change their theologically pickled minds any easier than they would change your mind. Once you have made that step towards knowledge there's no turning back.
Posted by: Ed | Friday, May 11, 2012 at 01:52 AM
There is no evidence for any religion. Science cannot 100% disprove that god does not exist but neither can it disprove fairies. The fact of the matter which most people seemed to move away from is how dangerous islam is. Islam is not a religion, it is a political ideology. The world has moved on. Islam is stuck in the same mind frame since its foundation!! All religions can and have caused wars. But as I said, most religions have moved on. Even the Catholic church now accepts evolution. In Islam nothing can be questions. Islam is full of hate. You know the muslims can quote you texts of the earlier written parts of the Koran of peace and love. BUt, that contradicts the later parts of it which only shows violence and hatred. You know how the rules are to figure out how to get a round contradictions? It is very simple, you must ignore the earlier texts and the later texts are correct. Also, Islam by its very nature is not moderate in any way, it insists on seperation, conversion and death to all non believers. The Koran also says that a good Muslim will not kill an innocent, You know what they mean by this? Anyone who is not a Muslim is not innocent. So, it is fine to kill anyone that is not a Muslim because it is not a sin and actually encouraged. Do not let them deceive you. If the world is to move on and get past the next 100 years before we destroy our self then we need to put religion in its place. History!!!
Posted by: paul foster | Wednesday, August 01, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Just look at the founders of the religions to see the difference. Christ was a man of peace. Mohammed was a warrior who conquered cities and beheaded hundreds of men on one day, then sold the women into slavery, even personally "marrying" i.e. RAPING a woman whose family he murdered. Founded on pathology and pathological to this day.
Posted by: NotReligious | Wednesday, September 26, 2012 at 03:12 PM
NotReligious
Clearly not every religion can be equally 'true'
So it is a safe bet to say they are all equally false.
Posted by: Zoe | Sunday, September 30, 2012 at 06:20 PM
Great article! You have Obama pegged perfectly. It is too bad we don't have a leader with the wisdom and fortitude of Churchill. Best Regards!
Posted by: Richard Teague | Sunday, November 18, 2012 at 02:01 AM