Seatle Mayor Scaring the children...

... during Christmas no less:

This guy has never been a favorite of mine, but honestly, even for him, this is pathetic.

I got this from the Kirby Wilbur show:

 

Lydia Smith, a listener, was at the Seattle City tree-lighting ceremony and was surprised at what Mayor Nickels had to say, asking the kids to help Santa out because the North Pole was "melting," before handing out energy-efficient light-bulbs to the children. Wow! Talk about using kids as political pawns! Read Nickels "letter to Santa" by clicking here.     

Audio link:  http://www.kvi.com/onair/kirby/11851731.html?video=pop&t=a   It is near the end at 8:37.

Bad enough liberals would bankrupt our economy on foolish ideas with no hope of success because they do not address the real problems, but let's scare the kids into guilting their parents into compliance.

How low will they go? 

Pretty. Damned. Low.

Via Michelle.

 

Comments

[xtnyoda]

In the article is also this quote,
"All religious references are discouraged by the local government–except if the religion is environmentalism."

Wow! Finally an official admission from a government type person that the only admitted religion is the "Religion of Environmentalism."

These Environmental Religionists are trying to cram their religion down our throats by all means...even legislation on local as well as national venues. Oh yes, and the courts also are knuckling under to the "religious" zealots.

Thus we are experiencing the new Religious Inquisition on all levels of courts and governments...even international efforts to enslave the common man once again.

At least someone has finally admitted that this is a "Religious" movement of suppression.

xtnyoda shalomed

[salvage]

Bankrupt our economy?

Huh? What economy is bankrupt?

Are energy-efficient light-bulbs good things or bad things?

[Mommynator]

xtnyoda, I'm sure you've heard that if people won't worship God, they'll find something else to worship.

Bing! The truth is right out there.

[Morgan K Freeberg]

Bankrupt our economy? Huh? What economy is bankrupt?

Suggestion: Make up your freakin' mind, man. Are you going to send people off to "go do some research" anytime you catch wind that someone doesn't quite see things your way, or are you going to do an about-face and start playing stupid when someone advances an argument you don't like, pretending you've never heard of it?

Because if you're going to do both, you just leave yourself open. I mean, not to plagiarize or anything, but you should go do the research and come to realize what everyone else seems to have already figured out.

Environmental groups say that the only way to deal with the effects of global warming is to make drastic cuts in carbon emissions -- a project that will cost the world trillions (the Kyoto Protocol alone would cost $180 billion annually). The research I've done over the last decade, beginning with my first book, "The Skeptical Environmentalist," has convinced me that this approach is unsound; it means spending an awful lot to achieve very little. Instead, we should be thinking creatively and pragmatically about how we could combat the much larger challenges facing our planet.

See how I did that? With, like, a link to the evidence and everything so you know not only what I think people should be thinking, but ALSO, what there is to persuade people to think that way? It's called substance. Learn it, live it, love it.

You're welcome.

[tim]

Damn Morgan, that's gonn'a leave a mark.

And Salv, you’re fast becoming "that guy", the one who disagrees just to disagree. We've had a few of them around here before, they don't last long, and I’m looking forward to your inevitable exit. May it come sooner rather than later.

[salvage]

Yes cutting carbon emissions won't help the problem of too much carbon being emitted, it's better to "combat the much larger challenges facing our planet." like...

Odd, Bjorn doesn't say... but he does say:

We must accept that climate change is real and that we've helped cause it. There is no hoax. But neither is there a looming apocalypse.

Which is sort of the tone of the whole piece, that climate change is real but gosh, nothing to worry about because not that many people will die and China and India are going to f**k the place up anyway so we might as well cash in while we can!

who is that guy anyway...? Some sort of scientist?

Bjorn Lomborg, an adjunct professor at the Copenhagen Business School, is the author, most recently, of "Cool It: The Skeptical Environmentalist's Guide to Global Warming."

Hmmm, yeah I'm going to stick with the scientists who don't have a book to sell to a niche market and who hasn't been condemned by, y'know, real scientists?

After the publication of The Skeptical Environmentalist, Lomborg was accused of scientific dishonesty. Several environmental scientists brought a total of three complaints against Lomborg to the Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty (DCSD), a body under Denmark's Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation. The charges claimed that The Skeptical Environmentalist contained deliberately misleading data and flawed conclusions. Due to the similarity of the complaints, the DCSD decided to proceed on the three cases under one investigation.

On January 6, 2003 the DCSD reached a decision on the complaints. The ruling was a mixed message, deciding the book to be scientifically dishonest, but Lomborg himself not guilty because of lack of expertise in the fields in question.

So kudos for you trying this whole 'research' deal, well done! But it's a little more than poking around until you find something that supports your POV.

Climate change is real, the damage it's going to do is going to be very costly to all our economies. The reality is however we are not going to make the changes necessary to impede it (we've gotten to used to our very cushy lifestyles, no way we're going back) and China and India certainly aren't going to bother even doing the minimum.

So no, our economy won't be bankrupt because of it, well kill ourselves before that happens.

But the planet will survive (it's survived far worse) and life will find a way and perhaps the next species to evolve to sentience will find our relics are learn from our mistakes.

Oh and you didn't answer the question, are energy-efficient light-bulbs good things or bad things?

[Morgan K Freeberg]

Yes cutting carbon emissions won't help the problem of too much carbon being emitted, it's better to...(bunch of typically-sarcastic blathering about Bjørn Lomborg)

I'm more than a little bit surprised that someone who has relied so heavily on the schtick of "you need to go and do some research" is so ignorant about the global warming swindle as to just now be introduced for the first time to the name of Dr. Lomborg, who has emerged as a famous and high-profile figure on this issue. Lomborg is unique in challenging the proposed "solutions" to global warming, while at the same time actually being enthusiastically receptive to the arguments about what it is and how dangerous it can be.

He's half right. I picked him to demonstrate to you that even among the researchers who buy into the chicken-little dogma, what we are to do about it remains controversial.

And so eager are you to cast all dissenting viewpoints into the "shill for energy companies" mold, that you're ready to burn Dr. Lomborg at the same stake as all the other "skeptics." Which just goes to prove, at least in your case, what Rick and others have been saying all along: Global warming is a religion. A religion that doesn't concern itself with proofs, disproofs, assertions, substantiations, or skepticism -- only with who's a priest, who's an acolyte, who's an apostate, and who's a heretic.

Dude...you just got nailed.

Oh and you didn't answer the question, are energy-efficient light-bulbs good things or bad things?

They're very good things, they save me a lot of money. Just like non-union stores, the Bush tax cuts, school vouchers and capital punishment.

When an official of the local government scares little kids to promote a political agenda, is that a good thing?

[salvage]

I guess you missed the bit where a bunch of scientists said he's full of shit but because he doesn't know what he's talking about they can't say for sure if it's on purpose.

And I didn't say he was a "shill for energy companies" I said he's a shill for his own book on subject matter that he doesn’t have the background or expertise to be an authority on.

>Dude...you just got nailed.

That’s a fascinating wingnut trait; hanging Mission Accomplished banners because you confuse what you’d like to happen to what is actually happening.

>They're very good things, they save me a lot of money. Just like non-union stores, the Bush tax cuts, school vouchers and capital punishment.

If it weren’t for unions you would have less, how does a school voucher save you money and capital punishment is far more expensive than lifetime incarceration.

Oh enjoy that tax cut, meanwhile here in Canada thanks to your Dear Leader's brilliant economic policies we're enjoying a stronger dollar (that means all the American stuff we buy? Keeps on getting cheaper) and our manufacturing sector is going nuts with the upgrades. Upshot is when your recession starts we have a good chance to make even more money.

>When an official of the local government scares little kids to promote a political agenda, is that a good thing?

Yes, I’m sure the kids were terrified for Santa and went screaming to their parents and had nightmares until every bulb in their house was replaced.

[Morgan K Freeberg]

So you're in Canada, enjoying that stronger Canadian dollar you have because my Dear Leader's policies -- the ones that have to do with spending money, of which people like me, and there are many of us, do NOT approve -- have greatly increased the public debt. You apparently don't like having this stronger Canadian dollar because you log on to this blog over in Virginia, the United States, and post a lot of sarcastic nonsense trying to convince people to be more opposed to our Dear Leader. But tellingly, you pick these battles over OTHER issues...for example, the one on which Dear Leader's policies might have prevented the American economy from out-and-out tanking, which is to show a little healthy skepticism to this global warming swindle.

My goodness, if Dear Leader did what you think he should do, how many greenbacks could a single Canadian dollar buy by now. Fifty, or a hundred, maybe. Disingenuousness, thy name is salvage. Perhaps when all's said and done, you do know what you're doing after all.

But back to the subject at hand, since you think so highly of yourself can you tell us what parts of this list you might think we should show a little healthy skepticism in accepting? I'd be fascinated to see you repudiate even a tiny fraction of the global warming swindle...not that I expect to see such a thing take place here. But do click open the link and see if you can find something among the 600+ things that might not be caused by the ManBearPig, will you.

And I didn't say he was a "shill for energy companies" I said he's a shill for his own book on subject matter that he doesn’t have the background or expertise to be an authority on.

You attacked his credentials because you didn't like what he had to say, and your evaluation of those credentials was purely outcome-based. Which is to say, if he drank the kool-aid but was nothing more than a second-year climatology student in some community college somewhere, you'd be singing hosannas about his academic mastery and demanding everybody else do the same.

Nailed you iz.

[salvage]

>You apparently don't like having this stronger Canadian dollar because you log on to this blog over in Virginia,

Um, what blog where? Link much?

But yeah, the weak American dollar has some downsides (for instance the Canadian marijuana and tourism industry has really taken a beating) but then I talked to a economics knowing buddy of mine recently who pointed out that there was a whole bunch of good as well and that if it all plays out like he thinks it will (she’s pretty clever and wealthy so I tend to take her word on these things) Canada could for the first time in history benefit from a screwed up U.S. economy (usually our fates are tied up). You guys will go recession and we’re going to clean up. That’ll be fun!

And on a personal level I’ve made a bit more from one client indirectly due to the weak greenback and I’ve saved quite a bit on stuff I buy. So rock on!

>But back to the subject at hand, since you think so highly of yourself can you tell us what parts of this list

Ah the American Thinker, truly one of the most ironically named wingnut hives ever.
I guess you haven’t noticed but everything we do is based on planet Earth and when it gets whacky everything is effected one way or another. I suggest you research the effect major volcanic eruptions have had on the world.

>You attacked his credentials because you didn't like what he had to say,

No, scientist attacked his credentials but were then told that he doesn’t have any to attack. See a second-year climatology student in some community college would have more authority than him.

>Nailed you iz.

Yes, you sure did, you are very smart.