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Wednesday, December 20, 2006

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Sally

I have an outspoken atheist friend, too. Your friend, Tom Garafiggio, sounds very much like her in that their perceptions of the Christian religion are just flat "off." We don't believe in a spectre walking around as God's representative on earth!

If you don't believe, you don't believe. You're free to NOT believe, question, disbelieve, or call it all bullcrap. But at least get your facts straight before you start deriding something you obviously refuse to understand!

negentropy

just a stunt to make themselves feel brave while standing up for what they believe (or don't) believe in, while knowing that they won't have to go into hiding for fear of having their heads sliced off or being murdered on a public street. like a little dog yapping behind a tall fence.

Zossima

I'm sure that if Dr Tom was born and raised in a Muslim country and if that country offered him the freedom of blasphemy, as our great nation does, he'd do it to Islam rather than to Christianity. It's a childish reaction to perceived repression.

Lou Cabron

Here's a surprising interview with the man behind the "blasphemy challenge." He has an even more interesting perspective on Islam...

"The Koran is certainly more vicious; more clear about the killing that has to be done. It is, in general, a more dangerous book."
Babson

"It seems that Richard Dawkins, the outspoken humanist, secularist, darwinist and atheist, has launched a site he calls The Blasphemy Challenge"

This is clearly incorrect. The link you provide is to the "News" section of Dawkin's site. The http://blasphemychallenge.com site has all the details on the american group sponsoring this "challenge".

Mike from Austin

FYI, this site was not started by Richard Dawkins, he just posted about it on his website. He did respond to an inquiry from the group that did start it; it's posted on their site.

Also, I'm pretty sure that the Rational Response Squad would be happy to explain how they find Islam just as ridiculous as Christianity. However, that doesn't have much to do with the specific sin this challenge is addressing.

And, Sally, thanks, I hadn't heard the "atheists aren't Christians because they refuse to understand it" argument for a while. Ummm, a lot of us understand it very well, and while you might not like the ghost description, it wasn't all that long ago that Holy Ghost was the term used. It sounds a bit pejorative nowadays to use 'ghost' this way (and that's probably exactly how Tom meant it), but it wasn't always so. Whatever word you use, it's still just a nice thing to believe in. I agree with you though, believe what you want. It's Christmas after all, the season of Santa.

Personally, I wrote him and asked for a digital camera to film my Blasphemy Challenge film.

-Mike
-a pretty nice guy, even if I am to dumb to understand Christianity despite the fact that it is shoved down the throat of every American from birth

Mike from Austin

Doh! I didn't mean to say Tom said the "Ghost" comment, that was the guy from the Rational Response Squad.

As an apology, I'll repost Tom's link in case you didn't hit it above--the pictures are great, and you can get them on cards with Bible verses below them if you're on Jesus' team. :)

http://withoutexcusecreations.com/index.htm

Tom

Also FYI, Dawkins harshly criticizes Islam in "The God Delusion", so you might want to do some research if you want to really be "Brutally Honest"

Sally

Mike, I don't shove anything down anyone's throat. I also didn't say that anyone has to believe as I do. The third thing i didn't say was that atheists are too dumb to understand; I said my friend and this author refuse to understand and/or to get the facts straight.

Interestingly, as the shoving Christianity down the throat goes, I happen to agree with you. Don't be so quick to judge, my friend.

The Holy Spirit may have been referred to as the Holy Ghost in the past (and still is among many today), but the name has never meant a spectre - at least not among those who have learned even the rudiments of Christian tenets.

Sally

Oh - and I also happen to be a pretty nice woman even though I *am* a Christian.

mark

I'm sure He will get around to debunking Judaism and Islam too. It's just that he wasn't raised as a jew or museum, so he' got to study the religions first before discovering their flaws. This stuff takes time people, geesh, get off his back!

Bill Perron

All this jaw jaw is O.K., but how do I get to enter my video production, it is really unique and fun and it has Jesus, Buddha, Mohammad, and Moses doing their impression of Dawkins, Sagan, O'Haire and other athiests. Very insightful, educational,and humorous. Can anyone give me the address to apply? Thank you, Bill Perron

Dog Tate

In The God Delusion, Dawkins quotes George H W Bush as saying when asked whether athiests should be considered citizens, “No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.”

Apparently the threat of "having their heads sliced off or being murdered on a public street" is not quite so remote. As a non-citizen, you could be scooped up and sent to guantanamo for re-programming. That a president of the United States could be so backwards that he could utter such a comment should disturb everybody to their core.

While this contest is obviously silly on its surface, it is nevertheless a bold move in a so-called "Christian" nation.

McGee

Man---didn't take long for this comment-thread to degenerate. While I personally believe all religious belief at root stems from a kind of natural moral cowardice ("oh my god, someday I'll be DEAD! Must do SOMETHING!) mocking Christianity while remaining mute about Islam is cynical or ignorant in the extreme--possibly both. This fellow is probably making money doing what he's doing so I won't call him ignorant---but given that he's limiting the subject matter of his little game to exclude Muslims---who who slit his throat on the way to topple a wall on top of his gay son if he were to so much as miss one of the five daily obligatory obeisances towards Mecca---he certainly can't be called a hero.

Daniiel

The Word of God says that there are only two situations in which a man or woman cannot receive forgiveness. The first and most common is when they are in a state of unforgiveness. That is to say that they have been wronged (or sinned against) and they refuse to forgive the person, which we find in Mark 11:25.
The second, which is actually quite a rare occurrence, is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. It is this second situation that I would like to address in this study.

Mat. 12:31 says, “Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.” But what does that mean?

Too many Christians have been stopped right in their tracks after being convinced that they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. In all of those that we have counseled that believed or suspected that they had blasphemed the Holy Spirit, NONE of them had actually done so. The very fact that they were even concerned about it was a very good indication that they had no done so. Much of the problem has to do with misunderstands due to poor teaching and some twisted theology.

Before we get into this scripture, let me lay a little foundation concerning the Holy Spirit.
For 25 years I was taught that the Holy Spirit was a power like electricity and not the 3rd person of the Trinity. This is just not so and the scriptures bear this out. I don’t have the space to do a complete teaching on this here but the following should not only sow this as well as illustrating a few other things about the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit can be RESISTED.
Acts 7:51 Ye stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

The Holy Spirit can be QUENCHED.
1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

The Holy Spirit can be GREIVED.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
What kind of things grieves the Holy Spirit? Read the next verse…
Vs. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamor, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

The Holy Spirit can be QUIETED.
Zech 6:8 Then cried he upon me, and spake unto me, saying, Behold, these that go toward the north country have quieted my spirit in the north country.
How can one “quiet” the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is a gentleman. He will never force Himself upon you. If you continually resist Him, or “say” that you don’t want to hear what He has to say… He will back off and be quiet where you are concerned.

The Holy Spirit can be INSULTED.
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite (Greek: to insult) the Spirit of grace?

And finally…
The Holy Spirit can be BLASPHEMED.
Which brings us to our scripture. But before we continue, I want to recap that the Holy Spirit can be: Resisted, Quenched, Grieved, Quieted and Insulted – None of these are Blasphemy! This has been part of the problem. People (all too often Pastors) have wadded all of these things together with blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Others have for the sake of emphasis, thrown a few additional real or imagined sins into the mix as well. And this has destroyed the lives of many an otherwise stable Christian.

Look, according to these scriptures, you can resist Him, grieve Him, Quiet Him and even insult Him and yet not commit the unpardonable sin by blaspheming Him.

But, the Holy Spirit can be BLASPHEMED as is shown in Mat 12:31.
Well, lets dig into this passage a little.

vs. 31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
What this is saying is that every other kind of sin and every other kind of blasphemy can be forgiven. The scripture says ALL! In the Greek language “All” is always translated as… ‘ALL’! (or every one). So what if you were an axe murderer? ALL! What if you were a child molester? ALL! What if you got divorced and remarried? (I bring up the last one because an extended family member of ours believes that somehow by committing this heinous sin of ‘divorce and remarriage’ he has blasphemed the Holy Spirit and is lost and separated from God forever. No!) ALL means ALL!

… but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
But, there IS something called “Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.” So what is it?

Well here is what it is NOT:
vs. 32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: So it’s NOT talking against Jesus! Accusing Him of all manner of sin and crimes, calling Him a drunk and a glutton, accusing Him of healing and deliverance through the power of Satan … According to this that’s even forgivable. So even blasphemy against Jesus is forgivable.

Here is what it is…
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Wow! That is rough! But what does that mean, “speaking against the Holy Spirit”?

Well it’s really pretty simple. “Blasphemy” is something slanderous and/or injurious to one’s good name. And the Greek word for “against” can mean “according to the case against” or “to the charge of” which is legal language. So what I believe this is saying is that “speaking blasphemy against” the Holy Spirit is like when someone one knowingly and deliberately as a legal witness attributes the works, operations and/or gifts of the Holy Spirit to the Devil or attributes the works, operations of the Devil to the Holy Spirit.

The Pharisees did this when Jesus was casting out demons by the power of the Holy Spirit. They proclaimed: “He cast out demon spirits by the power of Beelzebub!”
Jesus stopped their mouths right then and there and straightened them out.

Now Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is NOT someone that is just parroting someone else or speaking out of ignorance. Paul in 1Tim 1:12-13 said that He had even blasphemed the Holy Spirit, but that he had done this out of ignorance.

This is also NOT just something stupid that someone casually says once or twice. This is something that is said deliberately – in abundance – from the heart. How do we know that? We know that from the context of the rest of this passage.

vs. 33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit
vs. 34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth
speaketh.
vs. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
vs. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
vs. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Satan comes to steal, kill and destroy. He is not above using religion to accomplish his goals. So I don’t care WHO told you that you have committed the unpardonable sin… a “friend”, a relative, a coworker, someone in your church, your Priest of Pastor or Satan himself… I guarantee you that you could NOT have done it accidentally (without knowing about it). You would have to knowingly and deliberately, from your heart of hearts reject and renounce the Holy Spirit and verbally slander Him and His works and character to others.

I don’t think a person like that would even be reading this article! That is why you need to realize that you have not committed this unpardonable sin. Now you may have indeed sinned. But God’s Word says that He is QUICK TO FORGIVE all other sins. So ask for His forgiveness, and believe by faith that you have received it and get on with your life.

Don’t let the Devil continue to hold you in bondage.
Don’t allow the Devil to hold you back any longer from you walk with God.

All that said, it is a shame and a cowardice act to lead the younger generation and people in general to fall with their tails between their legs without sound teaching. It is too bad for the main people conceiving this blasphemy website to take down rather to give to the generation sound advice on purpose and destiny. They just have too much time on their hands and money to throw away rather than to give it to better life-producing cause(s)(such as Bono, Lance Armstrong in their fight for life) so that people can live. Show your faces, be relevant. Don't be cowards, learn to give purpose rather to tear down men and women's hearts. Enjoy life, and not to belittle it. Everyone is created in the image of God...everyone has a little of god in them. How can there really be atheists? Doesn't make sense.
Peace

Wade Balsdon

Here is what is real dumb, to deny the existence of an entity that you do not believe in? How retarded is that?

Melanie Steffen

God said that Richard Dawkins goes to Heaven, Leona Helmsley goes to Hell and Jerry Falwell just disappears.

What that means is, that you don't have to believe in Jesus or God to get into Heaven. On the other hand just believing in God does not necessarily get you into Heaven. . . . In a nutshell,


Good atheist' go to Heaven. Bad christians can go to Hell. Melanie Steffen

Melanie Steffen

In the Spring of 2006, God sent a message. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. The message is this:
In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death.
What does this mean? It means that Birth is Last and Birth is First. God also gives an example so that you can understand this better. Example: Mike Douglas died on his birthday, August 11. (Note; Mike Douglas and Michael Douglas are two different people.)

In 2007, God had this to say:
We each die in succession, then we are born on the same day.

Melanie Steffen

This is one small piece of Proof:

Like I said earlier, the Holy Spirit talked to me, besides his message about First is Last and Last is First, he had something to say about “Who Killed JFK”. Christ tells me that the man who shot JFK is a policeman. He also tells me the name of the shooter, but it is in a jumbled word. The word is “Fritters”. I see the name F. Ritter right off so I think that is the name of the killer. Now God has lots of other messages for me to figure out, so I put “Who Killed JFK” on the back burner for over a year. A year or more later , just recently, I have more time to look for F. Ritter. I can’t find a policeman with that name who lived in Dallas, Texas in 1963. So I start searching for information about who killed JFK and there is a picture of a policeman by the name of JD Tippit. Now Tippit kind of looks like Ritter. Now I un-jumble the letters of Ritter to TIRRET. Now TIRRET looks more like TIPPIT. Now I make the R’s stand at attention, I get TIPPET. One problem is that the I and the E are not the same. So I do some research on the family name TIPPIT. Turns out that in the late 1800’s JD Tippit’s grandfather changed their name from Tippett to Tippit. So the next step I change the E to I. So Tippet is now Tippit.

Now I have FS Tippit and JD Tippit. The first two initials are not the same. Next I go to Wikipedia there I find that JD does not stand for anything. That means his name is just J D. So the initials F S, do not stand for anything. I just have two initials that do not stand for anything. Are you following me?

Next what does FRITTERS mean. If your following my thinking here, God is going to tell you what happened to JD Tippit after he was shot. Fritters are a dough that is deep fried. Bread also means body, like in the last super Christ takes the bread and says this is my body. Look in the dictionary, PIT means HELL. TIP means money paid, gratuity. There are other meanings to Tip and Pit, you can look them up yourself.

JD Tippits body (dough) is placed in the deep fryer (lake of fire). Now I think this clue (Fritters) was INGENIUS. After all God came up with it. I think he does have a sense of humor too. Kids now have a new game to play. They can play God. Pilsbury dough boy fry’s in the lake of fire. You get HELL! fry baby fry!

If you think this is just crazy. Remember I am just the messenger. Jesus is the one that had to talk about JFK. So he had a reason for doing that. He told me who Killed JFK so that you would believe his messages are from God. Only God knows who killed JFK. I had forgotten about the case years ago. This is a cold case now, it been 45 year since the shooting.

I also read the part about giving false prophesy. God says false prophets go to Hell or something like that. I only repeat what God told me. Now what I wrote above is from God. He told me who killed JFK in 2006. The above is not a lie or a joke and I am going to HEAVEN without fear.

Before I forget. Gods messeges usually have more than one meaning. F S could also stand for “Fence Shooter”.

Who are the co-conspirators? Turns out that there are two policemen named Tippit, and one Tippett working in the Dallas police Department that same year(1963). Back to the clue word Fritters. That is plural, you know about plural. We have two fritters. The co-conspirators name is Gayle M. Tippit.

Now the Dallas Police Department obviously covered up and framed Oswald. He was the Patsy. They did it cause it is very possible that one of the other police officers rushing to the scene saw Tippet fleeing the scene carrying a rifle. They covered it up because of the embarrassment of one of their own was the man that killed JFK? And the Warren commission must have also figured that out so they stuck with the Dallas Dept. story saying that it was Oswald. It could have been a National embarrassment. Now if you look at the evidence like I did. It is easy to see that the DAllas Police Dept tampered with the evidence over and over again. And they did a very bad job of it too.

Now this is my opinion, not Gods. I think God is behind the creation of the Internet. I could never have been able to figure out a lot of his messages without the use of the Internet. People on the Net have been a big help to me. God talks to other people too, they just don’t know it. God let me know it was him.

It is impossible for anyone to do what I do, with Gods help. How is that?

Now I just made solving the case of “Who shot JFK?”, look easy. I also gave you proof here. Did you see it? You ask where’s the proof. The proof is that it is impossible for anyone to repeat what I just did above. I mean try it. And I do that over and over again in all of God’s messages.
See if you can make up a word that is a fried food (like fritters). Unjumble the letters to reveal the name of the killer (Tippit). Then divide the word Tippit into words that describe what happened. Tip- means that JD Tippit was paid for the job and the presidency was over turned. Pit - means that he went to Hell for what he did. Pit means the worst Hell.

See if you can prove me wrong. Show me how easy it is to make up a name like “Fritters” that solves the crime. This clue is ingenious. God came up with the name “FRITTERS”. God is a genius, not me. I am only the messenger.

Then the two remaining letters F. S. stands for Fence Shooter. It ingenius!

Then on top of that it just so happens that there are two Tippit’s working in the Dallas Police Department in 1963. Fritters (plural) means we have more than one Fritter going in the deep fryer . The other shooter is Gayle M. Tippit. He goes to Hell too. Now I did some research on Gayle M Tippit. There is very little information on him unlike JD Tippit. In my search I found two Gayle Tippit’s still in Dallas. One died in 1967 and the other is married and still lives in Texas. So the other conspirator could still be alive and has managed to avoid detection.

This is where it gets intesting. Does Gayle M. Tippit come forward and ask God to forgive him? I think he also has to ask the American people to forgive him for his part in the murder of the president or he gets the worst Hell just like JD did. God told me that waiting until the 11th hour is too late. God is forgiving, but you can’t wait until your on your death bed to ask to be forgiven.

Now if Gayle M. Tippit wants to save himself from the deep fryer. (This could be a long fry, not a quick dip.) He has to come forward and ask to be forgiven. He still gets death or Hell but it won’t be the worst Hell. Just like the worst death is being crucified.

Gods messenger, Melanie Steffen

Mommynator

Prescription pad - where did I put it?

Mrs. B.H.

So the man on the cross next to Jesus who asked to be remembered in the 11th hour did not go to heaven? Even if he asks for forgiveness in the 11th hour...God says he is forgiven and welcomed into the Kingdom. Melanie you are wrong about that. I agree with Mommynator.

Melanie Steffen

Most of the time I get mad at people with insults. But this time it was just funny. I mean I really had a good laugh. I am still laughing. I am glad that someone read what I wrote and remember something from it.

I never thought of the thief next Jesus on the cross. Jesus says to him you will be in Heaven with me. But on the other hand God says it is the 11th hour and to late to ask to be forgiven. That is funny. I mean that is really funny. That is a contradiction, isn't it?

Now the Bible implies that the theif goes to Heaven, because he believed Jesus. God says that you don't have to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven.

Besides all of that. Jesus was crucified in Rome with other prisoners. These people weren't criminals, they were victums.

You have to remember that the Romans made up the New Testament. So whatever they wrote does not count. What I wrote does.

Gods Messenger, Melaine

chuck aka xtnyoda

As long as it's up. It is impossible for an "atheist" to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. A true atheist would never speak against something that they don't even believes exists.

Further, Christ said the Pharisees were committing blasphemy by actually attributing to the power of Satan what they knew the Holy Spirit had actually done. That is blasphemy. An atheist believes in neither.

Poor folks, try as they might ... they have not succeeded.

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