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Thursday, August 04, 2005

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>>aren’t you in reality quite liberal and leftist?

What is a "leftist"? Could you define that term that you so freely use in derision? Is it the 99% of people who are less conserative than you?

>>Say Jim…. don’t you mean they need to focus on the content of religious convictions and the values that underlie them as you define those convictions and values?

You say that implying that Jim is hypocritical. But would you please acknowledge that what you and your conservative kind want is for the country to focus on values as *you* define them? Isn't that what the culture war is all about? Or are you actually "tolerant"? (I certainly hope not!)

>>In fact, aren’t the Democrats already carping on tax cuts for the wealthy, rising deficits and the slashing of programs for low-income families and children? How Jim is this “new” message any different from the old?

Uh, why would Jim need a new message if the old one hasn't been heard? Is there some value in changing the message? My Bible says that there should be "no poor among you." My Bible says that God's justice is to take care of the needy in our midst. I'd prefer this not be through the governmental apparatus that '60s liberal Jim Wallis favors. But America made a deal that our gov't would assume the role for taking care of the needy. Until the Church can come up with a plan to do it better, in a way that is obedient to Scripture, conservative christians should just shut up about issues such as welfare reform. Their religiosly cloaked rhetoric is merely self-serving.

What's really sad here is that Jim's beliefs come from his interpretation of Scripture but I don't think you can even consider that it might be correct or even have value because it actually has some coincidence with the message of the liberal bogeymen.

I kinda wish Jim's 15 minutes would be up soon, too. He's the flavor of the month for Dems trying to figure out how to look like they have "values". But Jim has gotten his hands dirty in the past forty years working directly with poor people through the wonderful Church of the Savior in Washington, DC. I have a tremendous respect for that and would hope that would buy him an audience with you. I appreciate much of what Jim says. I have no hope, like he does, that the Democrats are the answer. But honestly, why do you and conservative christians think that Republicans are?

>>you and Sojourners are to the Democratic party what Falwell and Robertson are to the Republican party.

Well, that won't be true until Jim starts "baptizing people and teaching them to vote Republican", as Jerry Falwell said last year.

>>Shrill partisans.

The pot calling the kettle black.

I just finished reading Wallis' book, which is on the same theme. He is an evangelical, but one who is primarily a pacifist. He does hate abortion, but is blind to his own prejudices.

His book makes the assumption that all most Evangelicals care about is souls, not the poor. He is just like the liberals who control the PCUSA, who push the liberal political agenda, and think it is something new.

Zossima,

I believe you've missed my point. I'll allow it wasn't intentional, I'll even entertain the idea that it's my fault, that I didn't communicate things clearly or effectively.

I certainly hold to certain perspectives, certain ideals. I do so rather confidently. But I don't mask it. I don't attempt to portray myself as being one thing while in actuality being something else.

I am who I am. Period.

Jim Wallis likes to paint himself as a moderate. He likes to portray himself as that which he thinks most people are. Middle of the roaders.

Wallis is no moderate. Unless in the same breath we can say that Fallwell and Robertson are. And we can't.

I would love an audience with Mr. Wallis. I'd bluntly ask him to come clean as to his politics. He has every right to be a liberal, to be a leftist, to hold progressive ideas. I just don't think he needs to hide it. I know more than a few liberals who are in your face with there ideaology and who I can respect in that they're not trying to hide it. Wallis is. Why?

For me to be the pot calling Wallis' kettle black would mean that I'm trying to in some way cloak who I am and what I think.

Look around this blog Zossima. What in hell am I hiding?

Presbypoet,

Thanks for coming by. Stopped by your place and was touched. I was especially moved by Goodbye J.:

Thank you for letting me go.
I know you loved me.
You showed it by thinking of me
instead of yourself. (this is true agape love)

It was hard I know.
Hard to watch me die.
Remember this lesson about love.
If you love you will be hurt.

Let the pain remind you
of the joy we knew and shared.
Some think to escape the pain.
They will never know our joy.

This is not the end you know
but only start of eternity.
I am with God now
at peace with our Master.

Know for sure we will meet again
where pain does cease
where joy abounds
where tears are washed away.

Also, tell the one who writes
I met a funny looking bunny.
She also sends her love.
Until we meet again, goodbye beloved.

From your dog
Heard May 12, 2004 © Presbypoet

On the blogroll you go.

Okay, maybe I've got you wrong. Your post seems to assume that Jim has something to hide. What is he hiding? Please cite quotations from Jim in which he is advocating a far more liberal "leftist" position than what he is saying in public these days.

You're not hiding anything, Rick. I like that. But you are a shrill partisan. You just don't like it that others are for the other side.

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