"I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

John Kerry being... John Kerry:

In a sentence that could become part of attacks on him as a "flip-flopper," Kerry also said that "I actually did vote for the $87 billion before I voted against it."

John F(lip Flop) Kerry.

Heh.

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[pghPA]

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[I understand]

Its amazing how out of context Republicans took the statement out of context. John Kerry was saying that he voted for rolling back 87 billion in tax breaks in order to pay for the troops rather than paying the 87 billion out of money the government does not have. That is why he voted against it the second time, because the amendment wan removed.

[Colin]

Sorry TrackBack, you lost. Kerry didn't say that about tax rollbacks as he openly stated. He's 'proud' that he voted against the $87 billion. I'd like to send him to Iraq and then see how he handles with the troops. I'm a US Marine. Do you really want to tango?

[Samee]

"I'm a US Marine. Do you really want to tango?" Typical right wing bullshit. And they say the left whines! You're not tough, you're not even brave enough to drop you star-spangled blinds long enough to read the whole truth about the Kerry vote. It's like "I Understand" said - Kerry voted for the bill with the provision that to pay for it, the tax breaks for the wealthiest 1% have got to go, as well as the Iraqis paying $10 billion back in loans. Why should we BORROW $10 billion to GIVE it to Iraqis, then have our kids pay it back?

[Jon]

There is no justification for John Kerry voting against the 87 billion. No matter what kind of plan there is for who has to pay the 87 billion, a moral person would vote for it, not against it. If it was up to John Kerry, are troops wouldn't have the proper equipment over in Iraq right now, and that's what's wrong. John Kerry is a selfish man. Why did John Kerry vote for the 87 billion in the first place? Seems like John is playing politics with our Marines lives...

Man, I can't believe you Dem's.... I mean really do they train you people to just accept spoon fed SPIN?

From the statement KERRY made...his very own words. He either ment EXACTLY what he said litterlly or.... it was really code for the Hale Bob comet to come back and pick his no stance butt up. hahahahaha NO WAIT!! he was really saying YAHTZEE!!! BINGO!!! The man can spin it any way he wants it.

I've known JELLO that doesnt Waver as much as Kerry does.

Mind you I'm not for Bush either, I'm more then ticked off at Bushy. But I figure, Why Change out one evil for an even worse one??? At least Bush is man enough to stand on what he does. He just tends to ignore it rather then waver, TEE TIME!. hehehe

As well I doubt very much that Samee is a US Marine. SIMPER FI there leather neck SEMPER FI! If you are a Marine.... cuz we only have your HONOR, INTEGRETY and MARINE CODE that you say you are one... Hell I could say.. "Because I'm Kerry's brother" to justify my stance on why he's dangerious... OR "Look at me I'm a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle" Pffff as if.

you better check yourself for a little of that "star-spangled blinds" for yourself brother. If you don't have a pair I'm sure you can get some at Wal-mart... if that doesn't work then maybe you should drop and give me some push ups till you find your patriotism.

Your Brother in arms
CMSGT Retired
no scratch that
NASA Astronaught
wait...nope that doesnt work either
Uhhhh
The guy that cleans the bathroom stalls.... lol hahahaha

NOW THAT IS BRUTALLY HONEST! ;-)

[Akasha]

quoting only a portion of an answer is awesome. Not quoting the rest of the reason behind it is even better. This is the sad state the Bush admin is in. The only way they can beat Kerry is to misquote and use quotes out of context.

I love you conservatives that like to act like Kerry is this poopshoot whos says NO they cant have armor when you know damn good and well that is not why he voted against it. He voted for it, but there was a change made to it and then he voted it down. Instead of having some of the wealthiest people in the country give back some of their tax cuts to pay for it, Bush wanted to take the money out on loans for our kids to pay off. THAT is why he voted against it, because it was the wrong way about getting the money. He wasn't against the idea, just the execution. He wanted that money to stay home.

Now we know that Halliburton overcharged the US by like 2 -3 times what other companies bid at and THAT is where a large chunk of change went. Straight into D.ICK's pocket. Now Haliburton are like "oh, we will refund that money since you caught us. Sorry" However, the last I heard they government still has not received their refund they were promised.

It is amazing to me how far Republicans feel they NEED to go to distort the truth in an attempt to win the election. The simple fact/truth is that Kerry voted for the first version of the bill and against the other (properly in my opinion)in protest, knowing it would pass anyway.HE WAS NOT against spending money to protect our troops with body armor, (as any sane person would understand)- body armor the troops should have had when they went in and didn't. HE WAS FOR rolling back the "reconstructon bill" of $87 billion dollars out of the $690 billion dollars given as tax cuts for the wealthy and making (along with many other Republicans) a loan of at least $10 billion of it too the Iraqis . Quote "We have to borrow that $10 billion ourselves to give it to Iraq as a gift," said Representative Dana Rohrabacher, a conservative Republican from California. " Why don't we let them repay it after 20 years? If we put it in the form of a loan, that way our children won't have to repay it 20 years from now." in light of the fact the war budget is out of control and continues to be, a promise Bush said the oil would take care of - remember? President Bush, in a power play that even conservative Republicans balked at said that if the funding package was different - if,for instance, it included a repayment from Iraq as a loan - if, for instance, it included some additional funding for our National Guarsmen in terms of health benefits - HE(BUSH)WOULD VETO THE BILL HIMSELF. And now you know the rest of the story -

http://www.motherjones.com/news/featurex/2.../we_455_01.html

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/031600023X...245#reader-page

[AT]

October 22, 2003, WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration threatened for the first time Tuesday to veto an $87 billion package for Iraq and Afghanistan. -- Huh, flip floppers?

[acewipe]

I would love to see documentation on how that Halliburton overcharge money made it's way into Dick Cheney's pocket

When Kerry voted FOR the money for body armor, etc. Bush threatened to veto it if it passed.

When Kerry voted FOR the money for body armor, etc. Bush threatened to veto it if it passed.

When Kerry voted AGAINST it, he was FOR the $67 billion for the troops and AGAINST the $20 billion blank check the administration wanted to "rebuild" Iraq, without a plan for what the money would be use for.

Maybe they should have just written the check straigh to Halliburton!

Asked if he would vote against the $87 billion if his amendment did not pass, Kerry said, "I don't think any United States senator is going to abandon our troops and recklessly leave Iraq to whatever follows as a result of simply cutting and running. That's irresponsible."

Kerry argued that his amendment offered a way to do it properly, "but I don't think anyone in the Congress is going to not give our troops ammunition, not give our troops the ability to be able to defend themselves. We're not going to cut and run and not do the job."

And that is exactly what he did.

[rob]

read this carefully

http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=138

[gb]

Below, Jon said "There is no justification for John Kerry voting against the 87 billion. No matter what kind of plan there is for who has to pay the 87 billion, a moral person would vote for it, not against it."

I agree... the problem is that EVERY REPUBLICAN SENATOR voted AGAINST the $87 billion, before they voted for it (conservative flip-floppers). President Bush threatened to veto the first version of the bill if it did pass.

I agree that they are totally immoral. By voting against the first bill, the republicans delayed the body armor and support for the troops, possibly costing soldiers' lives. Why? Because the first version of the bill would have revoked 10% of Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy, in order to pay for that $87 billion. And the second version of the bill made it easier to pass big portions of that money to Halliburton.

Immoral... I agree. The republicans put soldiers' lives at risk to put more money in the hands of the rich. Bush and the Republicans are immoral. Anyone who would vote for them and allow 4 more years of the same BS, just because they promise more tax cuts, needs to think seriously about not voting at all!

[Columbus Ohio Liberal]

Kerry voted for the 87 billion. He simply voted against adding it to the defecit. Remind me again who claims to be the "fiscally responsible" party here.

[bv]

you libbies are not rocket scientists when it comes to tax cuts. you all think that it's a zero-sum gain. it's not. you might take a look at the tax cuts made during JFK's & Reagan's tenure. Take a look at what tax cuts actually translated to in terms of revenue. During Reagan's term, it doubled revenue. Isn't that what we're all after? or, are you just jealous of the rich? Interestingly enough, did any of you guys who buy into that baloney that we need to soak the rich simply because they can afford it, take a look at what the likes of Comrades Teddy Kennedy, John F'ing Kerry, John F'ing Edwards and their ilk actually pay in taxes?

Am I not mistaken? isn't Teddy one of the idle rich? Isn't John F'ing Kerry one of the idle rich? (well, it's debatable whether he is or not. His wife DEFINITELY is...both married well, don't you think?) John F'ing Edwards is undeniably rich. What about Algore? remember how much tax he paid till it was pointed out that gave 250.00 to charity on a paltry tax return????

What's interesting is that these yayhoos hide their money in tax shelters that you and I can't do. You might say, "well, the Republicans do it, too!!!", shouting at the top of your lungs in some sort of indignant retaliation. I'd say, you're right. BUT, take a look at the tax returns of the Demo's who chant that the rich should pay, all the while they don't.

most of you hard working democrat worker bees buy that line of crap hook, line and sinker thinking (and believing) that they are just like you. Yes, they are just like you except for a few zeros and decimal places. oh, and one other little thing....they don't work and you do. Otherwise, you're all the same...except that they belong to country clubs and you don't...NOW, you're the same...except they have zillions of dollar sheltered

yes, I can see why you liberals vote the way you do. I John F'ing Kerry doesn't get a hangnail during the campaign. He's due another purple bandaid

[CB]

How many of you dimwits actually believe that Halliburton was guilty of some sort of hanky panky? I read a post where some guy named gb thinks so.

you guys probably don't recall that Comrade Clinton awarded Halliburton a no bid contract. It's a cost plus 7 percent arrangement. They've been audited at the democrats' urging. nothing but politics.

perhaps, we could get one of your plumbers unions or afl cio unions to deliver gas and other supplies, rebuild infrastructure and whatever else Halliburton is contracting to do.

anyone who is considering voting for kerry should really reconsider or just not vote. If you think that the only reason to vote for Bush is for a tax cut needs to look beyond the democrat talking points.

GB says that republicans are immoral. you might want to reconsider that regardless if you are a marine. It doesn't make you any smarter or right simply because you are a marine.

speaking of immoral, did you happen to pay attention to the clinton years? we were in bosnia and had absolutely no business being there. the cost was 80 billion and ThAT cost will be passed on to our grandkids. yet, i don't hear any of you liberals, who hate GW Bush so bad you can't stand it, bitching about the costs of THAT war. NOR, do any of you good libbies bitch about the cost of the Haitti excursion. NOPE. NOR, do you bitch about the Iraq conflict that comrade clinton "rushed" us into.

He spent a 100 million his last year in office traipsing around the world going country to country for what appears to be a big nice vacation.

you guys love him. most liberal leaders are nothing but liars. Someone give Teddy a bottle of Scotch.

[gb]

CB said "How many of you dimwits actually believe that Halliburton was guilty of some sort of hanky panky?" One of those dimwits is President George W. Bush. In December 2003, he said in reference to Halliburton, "If there's an overcharge, like we think there is, we expect that money to be repaid" (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/12/20031212-1.html). He's not too good with English, but I highly doubt that he doesn't know the meaning of "we".

[Minning Around]

So much patriotic bullying. Is it wrong for a Senator to require that a bill be payed for before signing on? Seems to me that Kerry was only doing his job. Anyone willing to give a President money without a thoutfull plan for payment is irresposible, and is not acting with the best interests of the country in mind. The greed exhibited by Republicans on this matter was shameful. Many of those same people who got the tax breaks will also benefit financially from this war - what a deal!

[RickinVa]

You're spinning like a top...

Your candidate has a history of being anti-military, his latest attacks on our boys on the alleged Alqaaqaagate scandal being simply yet another anti-military screed...

You should be ashamed for supporting him...

[Minning around]

Spinning?
Pull yourself away from FOX News and take a fresh look at the world.

It was obvious to anyone with an open mind that John Kerry was criticizing military leadership, not the troops on the ground. If you think the way we've botched this peace-keeping occupation is a job well done, then there is no hope for you. Why is Rumsfeld still around? What a joke and an embarrassment for our country. Practically the only thing we've done right is kill; we sure are good at that.

And by the way, Kerry is not my man. I'm voting Nader because I want my tax dollars to work for the good of the country, not pork barrell special interests (among other reasons).

Concerning shame, there's just not enough to go around right now. It is all at the feet of one George Bush. Did you see the NOW with Bill Moyers program on 10/29/04? Maybe you should get ahold of it and learn something valuable.